A public social media discussion between All That Remains frontman Phil Labonte and God Forbid guitarist Doc Coyle drew attention this week after the two longtime metalcore figures engaged in a lengthy political debate that remained notably civil despite clear ideological disagreements.
The exchange began after Labonte reacted to a screenshot circulating online of a post attributed to U.S. President Donald Trump on his Truth Social platform referencing reports of former FBI director Robert Mueller’s death. Labonte quote-tweeted the image with a brief response:
“holy shit. 😂”
That reaction prompted Coyle — who, like Labonte, has frequently spoken openly about political issues online — to question what he viewed as a contradiction between laughing at the situation and Labonte’s previous criticism of public reactions to the death of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk.
Coyle replied:
“So, now it’s funny to celebrate someone’s death. Super consistent and principled, man.”
To illustrate his point, Coyle shared a prior post from Labonte addressing reactions to Kirk’s death, in which Labonte wrote:
“the reaction, on both the right and the left, to Charlie Kirk’s murder, could not be more destructive to the Democrats. they have let the fringes of their party set the tone and agenda for over a decade… the vocal majority… they’re just vile. lacking any sense of humility. utterly sure of their holiness and moral purity while they denigrate a dead man, and his family…”
The conversation quickly evolved into a broader discussion centered on political consistency, morality, and personal principles rather than personal attacks.
Labonte clarified his initial reaction, writing:
“i didn’t celebrate it and it’s totally fucked up. but i would be lying if i said i didn’t laugh cause of how absurd it is.”
Coyle responded by emphasizing what he viewed as a contradiction between Labonte’s earlier stance and his current reaction:
“According to you, it’s ‘just vile’ to denigrate a dead man. Trump celebrated it. You laughed… Either it’s vile for everyone to celebrate death or for no one. I’m calling you out on consistency. Not that I think you’re a bad guy.”
Throughout the exchange, both musicians largely avoided personal insults, with Coyle explicitly stating he did not view Labonte as a bad person despite their disagreement.
As the discussion continued, Labonte explained his political support through a pragmatic framework, writing at length:
“my principle is defeating the people that want policies that will degrade and destroy America. Trump is the most viable political vehicle available to do that. this is not about ideology. this is about realpolitik. ideologically i wish we were a libertarian constitutional republic… if i don’t get the government i want, im left with the option of voting for the guy who will do the most to prevent the government i don’t want.”
Coyle countered by arguing that political endorsement carries moral responsibility beyond voting alone, responding:
“It’s not just about voting… You endorsed and told people Trump was the answer… Supporting Trump does not help you achieve your aims because the monster who is ‘on your side’ is still a monster and you can’t control him.”
The exchange ultimately concluded without further replies, ending not in escalation but with both artists standing by their respective viewpoints.
Both musicians have long been outspoken figures within heavy music. All That Remains rose to prominence during metalcore’s mainstream expansion in the 2000s, while God Forbid helped shape the genre’s early evolution through politically aware songwriting and outspoken members. Coyle, in particular, has built a reputation for engaging directly with fans and peers on social and political topics, often encouraging dialogue even when disagreements arise.
The discussion stood out as a rare example of two prominent figures within the heavy music community publicly debating contentious political issues while maintaining a largely respectful tone — a contrast to the more combative discourse often seen across social media platforms.
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again. and again. and again. lol
#TeamDoc
They do this all the time
Please stop
Phil 😂😂😂 the Temu metalcore singer..
Justin Kane Phil is one of the OGs from the early primarily metal side of metalcore singers, hes not temu quality just because hes also a retarded neocon
Justin Kane literally helped launch Metalcore into popularity and holds one of the top 10 most influential Metalcore albums of all time….currently supports more new talent than almost any other band
Justin Kane how the hell is he Temu anything? The Fall of Ideals and Overcome are both GOATed
Justin Kane where’s your national touring act?
Justin Kane except he’s been here since it started
There’s that
Ben Mansfield You’re right. Wish.com singer..
Justin Kane hes super talented
Justin Kane are you fucking retarded.
Justin Kane wait, isnt his band one of the bigger ones in the genre?
Doc is a leftist douche
Phil is a good vocalist but a stupid “political commentator” lol
Nathan Warner right i love their music but phil is not that bright you can tell there’s a ton of indoctrination. The stuff he says no one finds from research he was either stuffed with all that shit as a kid or watched the edgeist faux documentary ever when he was 20 and has not fact checked a single bit of it. 20 bucks says if you bring up economics phil says “well it all went bad when we left the gold standard” 😆 🤣
Who?
Him and her…
Erick Hernandez if you like the metal scene, how do you not know who they are?
Erick Hernandez gives a shit
Erick Hernandez All That Remains’ Phil Labonte And God Forbid’s Doc Coyle
Erick Hernandez These comments always crack me up. “They don’t play for Exramental Orgasm in tiny venues in front of 30 people? I have to try to be cool and pretend I have no idea who they are even though their names are on these sites all the time”
It’s like the human version of a battle vest 🤡
Josh Richardson ATR should’ve ended 😆 and lots ppl forget about God Forbid. More like God forget 😆 🤣 😂 😹
F.D. Mayhem Holy NPC comment 😂
Josh Richardson I truly think Phil is a waste of space. God Forbid, like what happened
This is literally every day. Ps they’re friends
These guys have been going at it for years
Lol doc is such a bitchlib too.
Not sure
How the hell are either of the bands still around?
Ryan Taylor God Forbid is still dope. They were on hiatus for a long time though when Doc was focused on Bad Wolves.
All That Remains, when they were actually Metalcore I thought they were one of the best, the Fall Of Ideals is still one of my favorite albums, but I have no clue how they still exist doing their shitty Butt Rock Metalcore.
I’m personally surprised anyone wants to be in a band with Phil. I used to talk with their former bassist Jeanie and she said it’s 100% the Phil show and she gets zero royalties from the music she helped write with the band.
And I’m pretty sure the last guitarist who left the band also mentioned shady things financially
Ryan Taylor God Forbid recently got back together a few years ago and have been doing smaller anniversary tours. Still killing it.
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Doc can flatline that maga shill
Magacore sucks. Doc is way too patient to be arguing with apologists and hateful mongers.
Doc Coyle couldn’t write a good riff with a Sabbath songbook shoved up his arse.
maga is a pedophile cult
Yes doc is a virtue signaler lol
2 clowns 🤡 🤣 😂
I respect that they maintained a civil conversation. Political talk nowadays just turns into insults and bashing, name calling, and insults. My personal opinion is neither side of politics are really for us common folk so I stand with the “ fuck the government “ side of things. I wish more people would wake up and stop fighting with each other over these stupid politicians. And them thinking they know what’s best for us because they absolutely do not.
Brian Walker I Agree 💯% FUCK The Government
Brian Walker exactly, we need to stop with this “I back the person I voted for no matter what, just to own the other side” it’s immature and egotistical
Man after my own heart.
Doc is soft
“Coyle voted for and vocally supported Trump then tried to make a moral argument, what a fucking idiot”
Oh fuck off.
These guys talk politics everyday together. Must be a slow news day lol
My old band opened for both these old dude’s bands. IDFC
Gory Cory And you still opening
Richard Perry haven’t played a show since COVID, King
No one clicked the link and it shows.
Clearly
Wesley I did. You didn’t know that
Anyone who still backs trump is a retarded piece of shit, period
I avoid commenting on political topics. It’s difficult, but they’re more pointless than a wart on your mouth.
we need to stop with this “I back the person I voted for no matter what, just to own the other side” it’s immature and egotistical, none of them care bout us
Camilo Parada and that right there is the truth my friend….
I don’t personally like coils political views but this exchange was more respectful and productive than our government currently is.
John Sonnenberg because they are best friends and talk about this stuff all the time
All That Remains dude is an inbred MAGAT cuck.
Mark Swift or he is an adult American with an opinion that’s his own 🤷♂️.
Jeremy Swierk nah he supports a guy who raped kids with Epstien
Mark Swift Ahh that must be it because cnn said so
Jeremy Swierk no actually the Epstien files and the thousands of victims. Apparently your a pedophile protecting MAGAT cuck too. Loser.
Jeremy Swierk there’s a long history of it before the Epstein files came out such as Trump’s ex wife accusing him of rape and his lawyer arguing rape is ok if done by the husband to the wife. Trump was filmed bragging about going into women’s dressing rooms to inspect them without consent. You MAGAts never respond to me because of how difficult you know it is defending your sickness.
Phillip McLeod my sickness…… 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Well I know what woman is and I hate to tell ya. I don’t play the red hat blue hat bullshit…. What’s funnier is you talk on republicans like they are the only devil here. Last I checked the left and the right are wings off the same bird. Hate to break it to you buddy you aren’t as noble and virtuous as you think. In the real world your internet balls don’t apply. But keep being presumptuous Baby girl.
Jeremy Swierk typical whataboutism. You defend the MAGA opinion and then avoid the entire topic when you can’t debate the gross reasons people hate them.
Phillip McLeod you realize this is a cold and cruel world and you are playing checkers instead of chess. You seem to focus on one thing instead a bigger picture….. and since you like to cherry pick your talking points let me remind you that shit was fucked up long before TRUMP or maga.
Jeremy Swierk will Jeremy ever type a single word about the things I type? It’s not a game of chess or checkers. In the normal human world, people have likes and dislikes. The bigger picture? The president of the U.S. is not a big enough picture for you. That’s the dumbest excuse for avoiding his 10,000 different allegations. What do you think was fucked up before Trump? The government? The presidents? Yeah, it was. That has nothing to do with the topic though. If you’re too afraid to stay on topic then please stop the trolling of people who discuss that topic. You have to counter the points to have any chance of winning a debate.
Phillip McLeod you are as gullible as they come kid. Just because I’m not buying the same bullshit as you, doesn’t make you right. The simple fact that you are belly aching over Just Trump and nothing else shows how shallow you are. There is a way bigger picture you’re missing. Furthermore I don’t answer to you. So who fucking cares how I respond to a little pencil neck like you
Jeremy Swierk gullible is believing the long time con man who was forced to pay $25 million because of his scam university could never possibly do anything wrong ever. That means you’re in a cult. You continue with personal attacks and any way you can immaturely troll as you’ll never be able to debate the topic, so I won’t even have to try to debate. I’ve won from the beginning. Also, your IQ has to be dangerously low if you think caring about one issue means you can’t care about others. You didn’t type out 10,000 problems going on in the world so that makes you shallow. See how deranged that sentence is?
Phillip McLeod Newsflash…. I really don’t care kid. You’re really not accomplishing anything. The assumptions are absolutely adorable. Bet you’re high fiving yourself thinking I’m really owning this guy…… I could really care less. What’s strikes me is you sound like you got such a hard on for Trump you just can’t keep his name out of your mouth. That sounds
Like an obsession. You’re never gonna get outta your mommies house?
Jeremy Swierk so you write paragraphs but claim to not care… Lol. And here’s the TDS claim straight out of the MAGA playbook as if no one is supposed to care what the person in the most powerful position in America is doing and has done.
Phillip McLeod are you fucking retarded. All I initially said was don’t be a fucking prick to people with opposing opinions . You have a Hard on for Trump and MAGA. Good for you. How bout shut the fuck up and just live your life babygirl. Where you fuck up is when you try to label me in a certain distinction when you know jack shit. I can only assume that you certainly wouldn’t have the same set of balls in person as you do on the internet. Based on your remarks and overall appearance you would get folded up like an envelope if you tried to press the issues or talk like that to someone in person as you act like you grew up in a safe space and have a shelf full of participation trophies. Either way really still don’t give a fuck what you say.
Jeremy Swierk you threaten violence against people for disliking MAGA. That’s not surprising at all. You even made the right wing participation trophies comment. Wow. I think I remember you from when I worked as a corrections officer. If you believed in not being a prick to people with different views, then every single comment you made would be different. So much hypocrisy. I really hope you get the help you need.
Phillip McLeod on babygirl. You were the one to make little snive remarks when all I said was he is an adult male with his own opinion. You decided to make this about maga and try to be smart ass. Dude you don’t know me I don’t know. I don’t really care about politics. It’s the divisive bullshit that is annoying. I’ll finish with that so you can go back to your hot pocket s and Doritos
Jeremy Swierk so it’s the divisiveness, not the pedophiles and rapists. You go ahead and let the whole world know that in person. I didn’t make this about MAGA. It was from the start. OP comment called him a MAGAT. If “divisive bs” was annoying, then why spew it constantly? You’ll never change anyone’s mind as we’ll always be against pedos and rapists.
Mark Swift yeah genuinely fuck Phil and everyone else in ATR for enabling him
White trash Labonte go fucking figure
No one read the article
Kyle Thomas Furtwangler I did! Swing and a miss!!
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“Two completely irrelevant bands from decades ago argue and no one cares.”
Ben Shinn Whatever bitch tits!
Ben Shinn
How is someone “irrelevant” in a post that’s about them? Learn English.
Ben Shinn irrelevant band that still opens for Metallica. 😄 🤣 😂 u dumb shit head
Ben Shinn Except for you. You care enough to comment about it. 🤷♂️
Ben Shinn You cared enough to comment
Doc Coyle is the not the brightest. This guy ket a band fall apart over political differences that would have put a lot of coun in all of their pockets…..#notasmartman
One’s a freemason and the other’s an idiot..
Garrett Shanower
Alex Helmick Phil must have smelled a communist.
You mean SNOT’s Doc Coyle? Lol
Man I forgot about God Forbid, used to love their song “War of Attrition” 🤘🏻 and I just seen ATR live 2 years ago with Mudvayne, and they killed it 🤷🏻♂️ Glad to see them both hashing it out respectfully
Pat O’Connor anti-hero was a great song too….🤘
Gary Hollingshead hellyeah agreed 🤘🏻
another reminder of why facebook is so freaking exhausting
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PHIL STOPPED BEING THE BACKING VOCALIST FOR KSE WHEN HE TURNED ATR INTO KSE
You either die wearing the boot or live long enough to lick it
So Doc is a cuck? Who knew?
Phil is a psycho.
Phil is one of the good guys. Respect…
All that remains are fuckin losers anyways. Every time one them opens their mouth is just straight drivel
Phil is a real one 💪🏻
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Kevin Forster Wilicki A real douche
Kyl Ostara you only say that because he has opinions that differ from yours… which in turn makes YOU what you say others are !
Kevin Forster Wilicki or actually its because he’s a pretentious twat from a mediocre metal band whose entire personality is “small man disease” that clings to firearm worship since he’s 5’2”. And he has nipple rings.
Kyl Ostara I’m 6’5″ with pierced tides and love guns …. so what’s your point 👉🏻
Kevin Forster Wilicki Yep. A real fuckin’ dummy. 😂😂😂
they’ve been doin this since before Trump
non-story
Phil is a real one for the smooth brains. 💪🏻
Phil is a MAGA tool. Fuck him.
Trump had Charlie killed.
They’ve been doing this for ages. One is a lib the other is a conservative. One thing you can say is Phil is still doing his thing while the other is struggling to remain relevant.
Anyway.. incoming bad wolves reunion now that TV claims he’s a centrist. 😂
Jeff Homen Phil sucks farts through a wet garden hose
Jeff Homen I jusy saw the reunited God Forbid (with Bleeding Through and Darkest Hour) a few months back and GF put on a better show than when I saw them 2 decades ago.
Jeff Homen he isn’t in bad wolves, he is playing with Snot now
Who the fuck cares????
Without looking I’m sure I agree with Doc. That said these two are friends having a discussion. Nothing more.
Both guys are bootlickers. So what?
Coyle is just a twat. No wonder his brother didn’t want to be in a band with him.
Yeah we used to do this all the time. Now it’s some weird modern nonsense where people aren’t supposed to talk to each other unless they have the exact same beliefs. Dumb.
Anyone else able to guess which one leaned which way just by looking at their picture? 🤣
“two adults engaged in a civil political discussion and we lost our minds because we’ve been brainwashed into believing you can only be extreme right or extreme left” I’ll take my royalties via venmo, tyvm
Phil is a fool!
Man we’re missing a great podcast here.
Either Phil vs doc or Phil vs randy blythe
No way Phil had a civil debate
Phil skipped being the clown, he’s the entire circus.
At least they can have conversations about it like grown ass adults.
Phil is a trump supporter
So fck him
And fck his band
I loved All That Remains
But gave up all interest when I learned he supports a pdfile
I am so fucking tired of MAGA saying democrats let the extreme elements take over their party. As an “extreme” leftist this dumb fuck couldn’t find shit if it fell out his out ass. We “extreme” lefties fucking despise the DNC because they’re so lukewarm to the center. Meanwhile the Republican Party actually has been taken over by the fringe lunatic and they don’t see it because they’ve become the fringe lunatics
Not a single elected Democrat celebrated Chuck the racist’s murder but they think they did.